Poor Michael Mann

December 21, 2009 by rcrejects

What a month for Michael Mann! His starring role in the CRU “Climategate” e:mails, extensive commentary on blogs and now increasingly in MSM, investigation by his university. Most tellingly of all the “Hide The Decline” youtube by Minnesotans 4 Global Warming. It can’t be easy being “The Mann”.

On Saturday, Michael Mann put up an op-ed at the Washington Post in which he ‘explained’ the context of the e:mails, and how, if there were any transgressions, it was “Them other blokes your honour. Not me”.

I doubt that Michael will be pleased by the reaction to his post. Last time I looked there were 32 pages of comments, averaging around 20 posts per page – around 600 posts. What is remarkable is the tone of most posts. Rather than spoil the story, I encourage you to go to the Washington Post website and have a look for yourself. www. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/17/AR2009121703682_Comments.html

I actually do feel compassion for Michael Mann and Phil Jones. I hope that they have support from friends and family at this tough time for them.

Climategate and RC.

December 7, 2009 by rcrejects

It must be fun over at the RC compound following the release of the CRU e:mails and related data, code and reports. There is ample commentary of all kinds relating to these disclosures, and we don’t intend to discuss them here, other than to explore a little what it all might mean for RC.

As we have already discussed in an earlier post, e:mails from Michael Mann clearly describe RC and its role. Tim Ball expands on RC giving a little more ‘context’ that might be useful for our readers. His article is titled “Climategate; The Supporting Cast – Thought Police Anyone?” and can be viewed in full at http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17635

An extract follows:

Too Big To Believe

George Monbiot of the Guardian (UK) was among the first mainstream media to express concern. “I am now convinced that they are genuine, and I’m dismayed and deeply shaken by them.” He was reacting to corruption on an unprecedented scale in exposed files from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia.

Typically, he was only concerned about being fooled. To his further shame he is now in denial of the extent of the deception. True, the scale and extent appears unbelievable because it uses the deception of the Big Lie – too big to believe. However, I know it’s believable because I watched it develop and grow. Particularly since 1985 when the conference in Villach Austria conjoined the CRU with the fledgling Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

Tom Wigley and Phil Jones attended but were already developing the phony climate science Maurice Strong needed to pursue his goal of destroying western economies. For example, in a 1983 article Wigley was convincing climate science of a falsely low pre-industrial level of CO2. Early attempts to challenge what they were doing followed normal academic processes and little interference occurred. For example, a book review I wrote based on the bad science became a Review Editorial In Climatic Change (Volume 35, Number 4 / April, 1997.)

Computer Models and Computer Modelers

The big change came when computer modelers took over climate science. I knew modeling global climate was impossible; apart from the inadequate surface and upper atmosphere database computer capacity was and is still inadequate. At conference after conference I watched modelers bully everybody. Models are the most corrupt part of the CRU and IPCC fiasco, an exposure yet to emerge. They produced the ridiculous ‘predictions’ of disaster used to promote control through fear.

We’ve learned of data manipulation, publication and peer review control, and personal attacks on those who asked questions. Yet to emerge is how they manipulated the computer models to reach a result that was not a simulation of nature but proof that human CO2 was causing global warming and climate change. As the IPCC and its model projections grew in power to dominate global energy policy it drew increasing attention. This grew threatening and triggered the need for a Palace Guard to defend the CRU and the IPCC.

The Goon Squad

A group of scientists established themselves as the goon squad for the gangster bosses at the CRU. Michael Mann and Gavin Schmidt led and quickly earned reputations for nasty and vindictive responses. On December 10, 2004 Schmidt gave the CRU gang a Christmas present: “Colleagues, No doubt some of you share our frustration with the current state of media reporting on the climate change issue. Far too often we see agenda-driven “commentary” on the Internet and in the opinion columns of newspapers crowding out careful analysis. Many of us work hard on educating the public and journalists through lectures, interviews and letters to the editor, but this is often a thankless task. In order to be a little bit more pro-active, a group of us (see below) have recently got together to build a new ‘climate blog’ website: RealClimate.org which will be launched over the next few days:” The group was, Mike Mann – Eric Steig – William Connolley – Stefan Rahmstorf – Ray Bradley – Amy Clement – Rasmus Benestad – William Connolley (sic) – Caspar Ammann.

They’re familiar names to people who got in their way. Now the world should know. Evasiveness pervading the behavior recorded in the CRU emails was present at RealClimate (RC) and beyond. Note that William Connolley is listed twice – a Freudian slip because he was the nastiest and did double duty, but more on him shortly. (Source)

Schmidt elaborates, “The idea is that we working climate scientists should have a place where we can mount a rapid response to supposedly ‘bombshell’ papers that are doing the rounds and give more context to climate related stories or events.” The phrase “working climate scientists” was used frequently and typifies their arrogance. Unless you are one you have no credibility or right to an opinion. It’s similar to their peer review charge and establishes them as the elite.

Modus Operandi Involved Mainstream Media

Activities of these “working climate scientists” were not to answer questions about their work but to divert, distract, ignore and marginalize with lies about people and ideas. Here is a February 9, 2006 email from Michael Mann that gives a flavor of the almost paranoid behavior.

“I see that Science (the journal) has already gone online w/ the new issue, so we put up the RC post. By now, you’ve probably read that nasty McIntyre thing. Apparently, he violated the embargo on his website (I don’t go there personally, but so I’m informed).

Anyway, I wanted you guys to know that you’re free to use RC in any way you think would be helpful. Gavin and I are going to be careful about what comments we screen through, and we’ll be very careful to answer any questions that come up to any extent we can. On the other hand, you might want to visit the thread and post replies yourself. We can hold comments up in the queue and contact you about whether or not you think they should be screened through or not, and if so, any comments you’d like us to include.

You’re also welcome to do a followup guest post, etc. think of RC as a resource that is at your disposal to combat any disinformation put forward by the McIntyres of the world. Just let us know. We’ll use our best discretion to make sure the skeptics don’t get to use the RC comments as a megaphone…”

Mann spread his lies about McIntyre by using Andrew Revkin of the New York Times. As recently as September 29, 2009 he wrote, “those such as McIntyre who operate almost entirely outside of this system are not to be trusted.”

Jones did it when he defended his refusal to answer FOI’s to the administration at the University of East Anglia. The emails from Revkin are disturbing and reveal unhealthy involvement and lack of journalistic integrity. No wonder he blocked use of the Climategate material in the newspaper when it appeared. It was not journalistic integrity it covered his involvement.

Schmidt notes, “This is a strictly volunteer/spare time/personal capacity project and obviously nothing we say there reflects any kind of ‘official’ position.” What hypocrisy. This is the game James Hansen and others play. He is Director of the NASA’s Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS) when it suits and a private citizen when it suits. It’s a duplicity that underlines the politics of their activities.

Tim goes on to discuss the activities of William Connolley at Wikipedia climate pages – fascinating stuff, but not so relevant to us here.

Gavin Schmidt has been busy. For some reason, they seem to be allowing many more posts than they normally would, particularly from those of a sceptical persuasion. The choir is pitching in to help show how wrong and mistaken the sceptical comments are, and Gavin is commenting on very many of the posts.

The tone is typical RC. They and their associates can do no wrong, whereas the sceptics are in the pay of big oil. Anyone who questions the science, or now the e:mails, obviously has an agenda. My view is that they are doing themselves even more harm than they have done before.

The only non-sceptical scientists (and journalists) that will come out of this with any honour will be those who have come out publicly to express their concern for the events/culture/actions revealed by the e:mails. Judith Curry, Eduardo Zorita, Mike Hulme, and George Monbiot are examples. Those who continue to defend the indefensible will I think find that they will bear the consequences.

The internet is a remarkable beast, and it is now so easy to get the real story, even if the MSM is still captive to the “settled science” of the IPCC and “the team”.

A consequence of the new approach at RC re censorship is that we are seeing a lot less complaints about posts being censored at RC. It is also notable that while they are clearly editing posts in a clear effort to “manage” the message, they are now at least indicating where the have edited the text.

Anyhow, we live in interesting times………..

UPDATEIt would appear that RC has already decided that an open moderation policy might not best serve its needs. Numerous comments suggest that the moderation policy has toughened up again (already) with numerous posts being deleted without notice.

More From RC On Their Moderation Policy!

November 21, 2009 by rcrejects

Perhaps unintended, but Michael Mann has provided some further comment on RC’s role and moderation policies in one of the e:mails from the CRU hack (now acknowledged by Dr Phil Jones to be genuine):

From: “Michael E. Mann” To: Tim Osborn , Keith Briffa Subject: update Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:51:53 -0500 Reply-to: mann@xxxxxxxxx.xxx Cc: Gavin Schmidt

guys, I see that Science has already gone online w/ the new issue, so we put up the RC post. By now, you’ve probably read that nasty McIntyre thing. Apparently, he violated the embargo on his website (I don’t go there personally, but so I’m informed).

Anyway, I wanted you guys to know that you’re free to use RC in any way you think would be helpful. Gavin and I are going to be careful about what comments we screen through, and we’ll be very careful to answer any questions that come up to any extent we can. On the other hand, you might want to visit the thread and post replies yourself. We can hold comments up in the queue and contact you about whether or not you think they should be screened through or not, and if so, any comments you’d like us to include.

You’re also welcome to do a followup guest post, etc. think of RC as a resource that is at your disposal to combat any disinformation put forward by the McIntyres of the world. Just let us know. We’ll use our best discretion to make sure the skeptics dont’get to use the RC comments as a megaphone…

mike

– Michael E. Mann Associate Professor Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)

Department of Meteorology Phone: (814) 863-4075 503 Walker Building FAX: (814) 865-3663 The Pennsylvania State University email: mann@xxxxxxxxx.xxx University Park, PA 16802-5013

http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm

Thanks to MikeN and An Inconvenient Comment for alerting us to this e:mail.

Steven Mosher Comments on Blog Strategies

November 11, 2009 by rcrejects

Steven Mosher is one of the more thoughtful folk contributing posts at CA and other sites. Today he put up a zinger at CA in the “Core Count in the Phil Transactions” thread – post 20.

steven mosher: November 10th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

SteveF, DO [Delayed Oscillator - an unidentifed dendro with a blog - www.delayedoscillator.wordpress.com - mod] has received his training in how to avoid questions and move on. I’ve got a fairly strong suspicion, backed up by a few facts, about his connections to RC.

This all has to do with a media strategy of containment. Since I know about these things and have myself received training in these methods, let me assure you that scientists do not come up with these tactics on their own.

The tactic amounts to this. You have a series of surrogates that do your attacking and defending for you. They have to be anonymous. Atmoz, for example, is NOT a RC surrogate. Tamino is a RC surrogate. He has published papers with RC folks. DO is also a RC surrogate. Connelly is also a surrogate. Each surrogate specializes in different areas.

The surrogates give RC and original authors several benefits. The surrogates can establish false lines
of defense. you waste time and effort attacking their points. The surrogates (say Tom P, who works in conjunction with DO) can also try to waste your time and effort with bogus attacks.

The other tactics they will use is one that drives most people crazy. They only let the LUNATICS from the anti AGW side post, thus creating a false impression of the skeptics. (Tom Fuler did a survey that showed that skeptics are NOT a monolithic group).

They will drive you crazy by editing your posts, thus doubling your work as you cross post your posts to other other boards.

More later. I’ll suggest some counter tactics.

This is certainly an interesting viewpoint, and it will be interesting to follow the discussion that unfolds.

Discuss Moderation Policies at Climate Blogs Here

November 8, 2009 by rcrejects

There is considerable interest in the different moderation policies adopted by different blog proprietors. This post provides an opportunity for posters to express their views and comments on this topic.

Use the “Post Your Rejected Posts Here #2″ thread to post your rejected posts. Comment/discuss here.

Post Your Rejected Posts Here #2

November 8, 2009 by rcrejects

I just filled up a whole thread – “The Yamal Conspiracy” – just cutting and pasting comments relating to censorship at climate blogs from primarily two threads – “Unthreaded n+2″ at CA, and “Climate Auditor Challenged to do Climate Science” at Andy Revkin’s Dot Earth. Clearly there is a lot being said on the topic.

Given that the main aim of this site is to give posters the opportunity to put up posts rejected at RC, Tamino’s Open Mind, and even CA if they have that experience, it seems sensible to open a new thread so that independent posts don’t get mixed up with the cut and pastes from other blogs on the Yamal thread.

So go to it.

Update 21 Nov 2009:

The CRU hacking is getting a lot of attention. Unfortunately, our modem broke down just as it was all developing, and we have only now gotten back on line. As MikeN points out, there are some comments regarding how RC use their moderation policies which deserve comment. I will prepare a post on that when I can get some time on the ‘puter – other family members are demanding access as I write.

Have a look at An Inconvenient Comment.

October 29, 2009 by rcrejects

Roger Pielke Jr has drawn attention to a new blog – An Inconvenient Comment – in this thread:

http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2009/10/inconvenient-comment.html

The AIC web address is: http://aicomment.blogspot.com/

(Damn. I still can’t get the link thingy to work. Best cut and paste the address into your address bar – sorry ’bout that).

AIC seeks to provide an environment where folk who have their posts rejected at various climate sites can record their posts. In that respect, AIC is somewhat similar in its intentions to RCR. However, AIC is using a somewhat different approach than RCR has used.

The first thing is that the proprietor is making a substantial effort to maintain a neutral position, and so encourage participation from all sides of the debate. We acknowledge that from time to time we have allowed our scepticism to show, and appreciate that a similar site with a declared neutral position may be more effective. AIC clearly state their policies on their site, which deserve careful review.

The proprietor of AIC is clearly much more proficient at the technical aspects of blogging than your host here, as can be seen by perusing his site.

You will also see that AIC is adopting an approach of following specific threads at particular sites (so far Climate Progress and Real Climate)and inviting rejected commenters to post rejected comments relating to those threads.

It will be interesting to see how AIC develops. We wish the proprietors of AIC well, and look forward to both our sites being ‘hugely’ successful.

Steve McIntyre “Rejected” at RC

October 18, 2009 by rcrejects

Steve McIntyre tried to post at RC in the “Hi Ya! (mal)” thread in response to a question from a poster, Benjamin, relating to the use by Mann of the Tiljander proxies “upside down”.

Steve lodged his post in the “Hey Ya! (mal)” thread, at 4.55 pm on 13 October 2009, and he posted a copy (#379) in the “Climate Auditor Challenged to Do Climate Science” thread at Andy Revkin’s Dot Earth blog (very much worth a read by the way).

At the time of writing (around 5.00 pm US Eastern time on 18th October), Steve’s post has still not appeared. It seems safe to say that his post has been “Rejected”.

Here is the post contributed by Steve to Dot Earth reporting that he had lodged a post at RC.
ience – Post 379.

Steve McIntyre. Toronto. October 14th, 2009. 11:09 am

A reader from this site transferred my comment above about the upside down use of the Tiljjander series in Mann et al 2008 to realclimate, who, as most people know, frequently censor scientific comment. I posted the following comment a few minutes ago at realclimate in which a reader asked for further information on Mann’s upside down use of the Tiljander series. This was recently confirmed by Atte Korhola, a Finnish paleolimnologist, in an online comment translated by a Finnish reader of Climate Audit http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=7272 . I posted the following answer at realclimate and we’ll see if they permit it:

Quote: Comment: “Benjamin asks: Could someone point me to where this “inverted data” issue is addressed by Mann or someone else who knows?

The Tiljander series in Mann et al SI Fig S9 are shown upside down from the interpretation of the original authors. I directly confirmed these points by email with Tiljander.

One of the Tiljander series used in Mann et al 2008 was also used upside down in Kaufman et al (2009), who, unlike Mann, truncated the record in 1800 to remove the modern portion of increased sediment attributed by the authors to bridges, ditches etc.

Atte Korhola, a Finnish paleolimnologist very familiar with the studies, confirmed the upside down use in a Finnish blog (Google translation ( http://translate.google.com… )

Science recently published a study in arctic regions [Kaufman et al 2009] , average temperatures are found to be higher now than at any time in the past two thousand years. Result may well be true, but the way the researchers conclude that raises questions. Proxy-material has been included selectively, they have been digested, manipulated, glazed, and the combined – for example, own and my colleagues collected data from Finland in the past has even turned upside down when the warm periods become cold and vice versa. Normally, this would be considered as a scientific falsification, which has serious consequences.” End Comment. /Quote.

RC’s rejection of Steve’s post has led to quite a bit of discussion in the “Upside-Side Down Mann and the “peerreviewedliterature”" thread at CA, and also on the Dot Earth thread.

We post relevant posts below in Comments.

It seems clear that this episode confirms, once again, that RC and ‘the team’ decline to engage in discussion on pertinent questions. That this is so is blindingly evident by now.

The Yamal Controversy

October 10, 2009 by rcrejects

As visitors to this site would know, Steve McIntyre at CA has finally managed to gain access to the key Briffa data relating to the crucial Yamal series. Over the past couple of weeks there has been intense discussion about the issue at many blogs with literally 100s of posts being put up by interested blog participants.

It is intriguing indeed to observe the very different moderation policies being implemented by RC (and Tamino’s Open Mind blog) on the one hand and CA on the other.

CA has a post moderation policy which means that all posts are put up, and only moderated after the case. CA has been very tolerant of dissenting comment, and Steve McIntyre has even offered leading proponents with dissenting views the opportunity to run their own threads at CA, completely without moderation from CA. So far, none of the dissenters has taken up Steve’s offer.

RC by contrast, has continued its very draconian moderation policy of deleting any comments that don’t support its agenda.

There has been considerable comment on this issue, and we have ourselves seen quite a few people using this site to put up posts that were rejected at RC or TOM.

JeffID at The Air Vent has had a thread called RC Real Censors discussing RC and its moderation policies. There are quite a few posts there where people have put up their censored RC posts. Go to: http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/busted/

When we first established RC Rejects, in order to get the site going, we ourselves cut and pasted comments relating to RC moderation policy posted at other sites. This proved onerous in a time sense, and after a while we decided to let posters put up their own posts here, which has been happening thanks to the efforts of people like MikeN (thanks Mike) in mentioning RCRejects at other blogs.

Due to the intensity of the discussion, there clearly has been a lot of censorship going on over at RC. In fact, one observer stated that he thought that they would be rejecting more than half the comments being posted there, though I don’t know how he could know that.

It is certainly a most interesting time. I decided to go through just one thread at CA (Unthreaded n+2) since there were many comments relating to rejected RC or TOM posts. So far we have 47 comments which we will put up progressively over the next few days. Each one requires a bit of editing to make it intelligible, since we had some issues with our cut and paste process into Word.

Thanks to all the posters who have put up posts here. We really appreciate your contributions. You may have noticed that we have sometimes included an introductory comment indicating where the post was rejected from in case that isn’t clear.

It is also evident that there is no real flow to the posts here. The only thing that most have in common is that they were rejected, or at least discuss rejection, or moderation policies at RC, CA and other blogs. We try to be fair and copy all posts discussing the topic from either pov. Similarly, while we sometimes edit out non-relevant material (for this blog anyhow), we do try to do this fairly, and indicate that we have edited the post.

What conclusions can we draw from all this? The main conclusion is the same as before. Real Climate does appear to exercise a draconian moderation policy to suppress ‘difficult’ questions or dissenting views.

Post Your Rejected Posts Here

August 26, 2009 by rcrejects

As our tag line says, our main purpose is to act as a repository for comments rejected at RC and other sites. When you post, just keep a copy. If it doesn’t show, or if it is edited in a way you don’t like, simply post it here.

UPDATE: Apologies for slow posting. At the moment I am away from the internet 6 days each week, only checking the site on Thursdays. Sorry if that means a post sits in my inbox for a few days.