Steve McIntyre tried to post at RC in the “Hi Ya! (mal)” thread in response to a question from a poster, Benjamin, relating to the use by Mann of the Tiljander proxies “upside down”.
Steve lodged his post in the “Hey Ya! (mal)” thread, at 4.55 pm on 13 October 2009, and he posted a copy (#379) in the “Climate Auditor Challenged to Do Climate Science” thread at Andy Revkin’s Dot Earth blog (very much worth a read by the way).
At the time of writing (around 5.00 pm US Eastern time on 18th October), Steve’s post has still not appeared. It seems safe to say that his post has been “Rejected”.
Here is the post contributed by Steve to Dot Earth reporting that he had lodged a post at RC.
ience – Post 379.
Steve McIntyre. Toronto. October 14th, 2009. 11:09 am
A reader from this site transferred my comment above about the upside down use of the Tiljjander series in Mann et al 2008 to realclimate, who, as most people know, frequently censor scientific comment. I posted the following comment a few minutes ago at realclimate in which a reader asked for further information on Mann’s upside down use of the Tiljander series. This was recently confirmed by Atte Korhola, a Finnish paleolimnologist, in an online comment translated by a Finnish reader of Climate Audit http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=7272 . I posted the following answer at realclimate and we’ll see if they permit it:
Quote: Comment: “Benjamin asks: Could someone point me to where this “inverted data” issue is addressed by Mann or someone else who knows?
The Tiljander series in Mann et al SI Fig S9 are shown upside down from the interpretation of the original authors. I directly confirmed these points by email with Tiljander.
One of the Tiljander series used in Mann et al 2008 was also used upside down in Kaufman et al (2009), who, unlike Mann, truncated the record in 1800 to remove the modern portion of increased sediment attributed by the authors to bridges, ditches etc.
Atte Korhola, a Finnish paleolimnologist very familiar with the studies, confirmed the upside down use in a Finnish blog (Google translation ( http://translate.google.com… )
Science recently published a study in arctic regions [Kaufman et al 2009] , average temperatures are found to be higher now than at any time in the past two thousand years. Result may well be true, but the way the researchers conclude that raises questions. Proxy-material has been included selectively, they have been digested, manipulated, glazed, and the combined – for example, own and my colleagues collected data from Finland in the past has even turned upside down when the warm periods become cold and vice versa. Normally, this would be considered as a scientific falsification, which has serious consequences.” End Comment. /Quote.
RC’s rejection of Steve’s post has led to quite a bit of discussion in the “Upside-Side Down Mann and the “peerreviewedliterature”” thread at CA, and also on the Dot Earth thread.
We post relevant posts below in Comments.
It seems clear that this episode confirms, once again, that RC and ‘the team’ decline to engage in discussion on pertinent questions. That this is so is blindingly evident by now.