I just filled up a whole thread – “The Yamal Conspiracy” – just cutting and pasting comments relating to censorship at climate blogs from primarily two threads – “Unthreaded n+2” at CA, and “Climate Auditor Challenged to do Climate Science” at Andy Revkin’s Dot Earth. Clearly there is a lot being said on the topic.
Given that the main aim of this site is to give posters the opportunity to put up posts rejected at RC, Tamino’s Open Mind, and even CA if they have that experience, it seems sensible to open a new thread so that independent posts don’t get mixed up with the cut and pastes from other blogs on the Yamal thread.
So go to it.
Update 21 Nov 2009:
The CRU hacking is getting a lot of attention. Unfortunately, our modem broke down just as it was all developing, and we have only now gotten back on line. As MikeN points out, there are some comments regarding how RC use their moderation policies which deserve comment. I will prepare a post on that when I can get some time on the ‘puter – other family members are demanding access as I write.
October 21, 2009 at 9:05 pm
CA “Unthreaded” thread – Post 260
October 21, 2009 at 10:45 pm
CA “Gavin’s Guru RCS Standardization” thread – Post 565
October 26, 2009 at 8:33 am
WUWT “Bob Carter with a down-under view of climate science” thread.
October 26, 2009 at 9:08 am
At Roger Pielke Jr.’s Blog – “Joe Romm’s Latest 3500 Words On Me thread” – Posts 6 & 7
November 1, 2009 at 6:47 am
William Connolley at Stoat has been weighing in on the Tiljander issues. He is inclined to edit/censor ‘inconvenient posts’ rather than just reject them out of hand as happens on some other climate blogs.
Here is an example reported at CA “Connolley Endorses Upside Down Mann” thread – Post 250
[We edited out the balance of MrPete’s comment as it is not really relevant to our purpose. You can see it at CA if you want – mod]
November 20, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Posted to RealClimate as Journeyman, at 2:07 ET
In the Nature trick, didn’t they also use the instrumental data as part of the smoothing, averaging in instrumental record calibrated values rather than the actual proxy data, to hide the decline, thus affecting the part that wasn’t cut off as well?
November 20, 2009 at 9:25 pm
That last one made it through. Let’s go further then.
November 20, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Again to RC @4:36 PM
I don’t think the Nature trick has been described adequately in your post. It isn’t just graphing the instrument record for comparison, but graphing it to ‘hide the decline.’ They didn’t just cut off the proxy value and add on the instrument record from 1961 on; they used the instrument temperature values to calculate smoothed average value for earlier years as well. That is the ‘trick,’ to let the instrument record replace actual values of the data that are lower than you want.
Sorry for preposting, go ahead and throw out the previous two comments.
November 20, 2009 at 9:57 pm
I posted the following at RC regarding the CRU hacking, in response to a Gavin response:
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“[Response: The paper and journal in question were indeed a scandal. But the scandal was that it was ever published. Six editors of the journal resigned in protest at the publication, not because of pressure. – gavin]”
That’s fortunate. I note that in mail #1051190249
“Note that I am copying this view only to Mike Hulme and Phil Jones. Mike’s idea to get editorial board members to resign will probably not work”
It wasn’t necessary, but there had clearly been discussion about leaning on them to resign…
Do you understand that when there is an argument over a scientific matter, both sides think they are right and think that the other sides science is (relatively) poor ? Trying to squeeze one side out of publication so that you can then crow about their papers not being “published” is abhorrent and an embarassing shame on those undertaking that approach. The correct response is to respond to the papers, and NOT to try to stop them publishing (or commenting). Apparently improving the signal to noise ratio is only important when it’s your signal ?
All the talk about the science being settled, when there are discussions amongst yourselves about not being able to explain the current lack of warming is also shameful – why is the discussion taking place on private emails instead of in established climate journals ? Is it because it may damage the signal to noise ratio, and confuse the under class ?
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It actually made it through moderation, Gavin added a comment at the end saying I was misrepresenting something, without addressing the point that they had discussed in emails putting pressure on editors to resign, whether or not that was ultimately the reason they did so. 10 minutes later the post was gone.
November 20, 2009 at 10:03 pm
Sorry scratch that post – my post IS in fact still at RC as #124 on the thread.
November 21, 2009 at 4:54 am
The censoring appears to be off for now. Every so often, we see Gavin’s arrogance pop up again, but all comments appear to be getting through, including my last one.
Perhaps the editor will declare Mission Accomplished and close shop.
December 20, 2009 at 12:31 am
Comment on Lucia’s Blackboard – “Scafetta Should Share Code. Period.” thread.
Lucia added a comment further down.
December 20, 2009 at 12:34 am
Carrick responds to Lucia’s comment referred to in the post above. Same thread.
December 21, 2009 at 2:23 am
WUWT have a thread up today (20th Dec 2009) titled “A Telling Omission by Real Climate” relating to the omission of certain names (McIntyre, McKitrick, Pielke Jr & Sr, Motl) etc from an RC list of sceptics at RC Wiki.
The following relates to posts being censored at RC.
December 21, 2009 at 2:57 am
Also at WUWT “A Telling Omission by RC” thread: